Robin Hood (Upper Halling): Difference between revisions

Locality
Coordinate	51.353295, 0.428586
Adm. div.	Kent
Vicinity	The Street, Upper Halling
Type	Public house
Interest	Robin Hood name
Status	Defunct
First Record	1881
A.k.a.	Robin Hood Inn

Latest revision as of 16:32, 3 May 2022

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The former Robin Hood.

The former Robin Hood / Google Earth Street View.

By Henrik Thiil Nielsen, 2020-11-07. Revised by Henrik Thiil Nielsen, 2022-05-03.

The Robin Hood on what is now named The Street, in Upper Halling, Kent, was in existence as ealy as 1840 and at least as late as c. 1960. However, the name 'Robin Hood' is only recorded from 1881 on.

As noted at Pub History, the pub is listed under Halling in the 1881 and 1901 censuses.^[1] It is entered in the 1881 census as "'Robin Hood' Beer house"^[2] at 'Mills cottages[,] Crab's Corner'^[3] and in that of 1901 as "'Robin Hood' Inn".^[4] It is not clear from these census records that Crab's Corner and Mill's Cottages were situated in Upper Halling, but this was certainly the case. Thus for instance the 36 year old Walter Crowhurst, general labourer, who figures at 1 Mills Cottages in the 1881 census,^[5] is listed in that of 1851 as a six year old 'scholar' with 'Upper Halling' cited in lieu of a street address. We also note that several persons in Upper halling are listed in 1851 with the same surname as the publican in 1901: Parris.^[6]

The 1840 tithe schedule for Halling lists the easternmost of the plots on the north side of what is now The Street, in Upper Halling, as a 'Beer Shop[,] Shed and Garden', the land owned by Maximillian Dudley Digges Dalison, Esq., and occupied by a William Holding. In 1877, the owner was the same but the occupier an Edward Norman, while in 1884 it was owned by Hilton, Anderson & Company and occupied by Lingham and Davis. Its area was 1 rood and 15 perches (1391.11 m²).^[7] This must be the Robin Hood. The immediate vicinity, where several streets meet, would then have been known as Crabb's Corner.

An indication that the pub was still in existence c. 1960 was given by the seller from whom IRHB bought the black and white postcard shown in the image gallery below. The card itself includes no printed text of any kind, but it was sold as a postcard depicting the 'Robin Hood pub, Upper Halling, Rochester 1960'. The year in the postmark is hardly legible, but the stamp and the general look of the card would seem to support the dating.

Gazetteers

Not included in Dobson, R. B., ed.; Taylor, J., ed. Rymes of Robyn Hood: an Introduction to the English Outlaw (London, 1976), pp. 293-311.

Sources

Pub Wiki: Robin Hood, 4 Mills Cottages Crabs Corner, Halling, Strood.

Maps

25" O.S. map Kent XVIII.16 (c. 1869; surveyed 1861-62), No copy in NLS
25" O.S. map Kent XVIII.16 (c. 1896; rev. c. 1895). No copy in NLS
25" O.S. map Kent XVIII.16 (1908; rev. 1907) (georeferenced)
25" O.S. map Kent XVIII.16 (1908; rev. 1907)
25" O.S. map Kent XVIII.16 (1938; rev. 1936–37)
6" O.S. map Kent XVIII (1869; surveyed 1864–67)
6" O.S. map Kent XVIII.SE (1898; rev. 1895) (georeferenced)
6" O.S. map Kent XVIII.SE (1898; rev. 1895)
6" O.S. map Kent XVIII.SE (1909; rev. 1907)
6" O.S. map Kent XVIII.SE (c. 1940; rev. 1936).

Background

Also see

Public houses named after Robin Hood.

Notes

Image gallery

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The former Robin Hood / Google Earth Street View.
[s.n.]. [The Robin Hood, Upper Halling] ([s.l.], [c. 1960]). Photographic postcard (b/w; serrated edge)
The former Robin Hood, from roughly same angle as the postcard / Google Earth Street View.
The former Robin Hood from yet another angle / Google Earth Street View.

Kent place-names

Place-names

[1] Pub Wiki: Robin Hood, 4 Mills Cottages Crabs Corner, Halling, Strood.

[2] 1881 census of Kent, Piece 00880, Image 00229, #212, at The Genealogist (£).

[3] 1881 census of Kent, Piece 00880, Image 00228, #209, at The Genealogist (£).

[4] 1901 census of Kent 1901, Piece 00719, Image 00060, #26, at The Genealogist (£).

[5] 1881 census of Kent, Sub-Piece 00880, Image 00229, #210, at The Genealogist (£).

[6] 1851 census of Kent, Piece 01609b, Image 00451, #21, at The Genealogist (£). Also search there for surname 'Parris'.

[7] Tithe award for Halling, Piece 17, Sub-Piece 160, Images 011, 032 and 038, #132, at The Genealogist (£).

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 <div class="no-img"><p id="byline">By Henrik Thiil Nielsen, 2020-11-07. Revised by {{#realname:{{REVISIONUSER}}}}, {{REVISIONYEAR}}-{{REVISIONMONTH}}-{{REVISIONDAY2}}.</p>
-The Robin Hood in Halling, Kent, was in existence by 1881 and at least as late as 1901. It was in all probability situated at what is now The Street, Upper Halling.
+The Robin Hood on what is now named The Street, in Upper Halling, Kent, was in existence as ealy as 1840 and at least as late as ''c.'' 1960. However, the name 'Robin Hood' is only recorded from 1881 on.
-As noted at the Pub Wiki, the pub is listed under Halling in the 1881 and 1901 censuses.<ref>[https://pubwiki.co.uk/KentPubs/Halling/RobinHood.shtml Pub Wiki: Robin Hood, 4 Mills Cottages Crabs Corner, Halling, Strood.]</ref> It is entered in the 1881 census as "'Robin Hood' Beer house"<ref>Kent
+As noted at Pub History, the pub is listed under Halling in the 1881 and 1901 censuses.<ref>[https://pubwiki.co.uk/KentPubs/Halling/RobinHood.shtml Pub Wiki: Robin Hood, 4 Mills Cottages Crabs Corner, Halling, Strood.]</ref> It is entered in the 1881 census as "'Robin Hood' Beer house"<ref>[https://www.thegenealogist.com 1881 census of Kent, Piece 00880, Image 00229, #212, at The Genealogist] (£).</ref> at 'Mills cottages[,] Crab's Corner'<ref>[https://www.thegenealogist.com 1881 census of Kent, Piece 00880, Image 00228, #209, at The Genealogist] (£).</ref> and in that of 1901 as "'Robin Hood' Inn".<ref>[https://www.thegenealogist.com 1901 census of Kent 1901, Piece 00719, Image 00060, #26, at The Genealogist] (£).</ref> It is not clear from these census records that Crab's Corner and Mill's Cottages were situated in Upper Halling, but this was certainly the case. Thus for instance the 36 year old Walter Crowhurst, general labourer, who figures at 1 Mills Cottages in the 1881 census,<ref>[https://www.thegenealogist.com 1881 census of Kent, Sub-Piece 00880, Image 00229, #210, at The Genealogist] (£).</ref> is listed in that of 1851 as a six year old 'scholar' with 'Upper Halling' cited in lieu of a street address. We also note that several persons in Upper halling are listed in 1851 with the same surname as the publican in 1901: Parris.<ref>[https://www.thegenealogist.com 1851 census of Kent, Piece 01609b, Image 00451, #21, at The Genealogist] (£). Also search there for surname 'Parris'.</ref>
-[https://www.thegenealogist.com 1881 census of Kent, Piece 00880, Image 00229, #212, at The Genealogist] (subscription required).</ref> at 'Mills cottages[,] Crab's Corner'<ref>[https://www.thegenealogist.com 1881 census of Kent, Piece 00880, Image 00228, #209, at The Genealogist] (subscription required).</ref> and in that of 1901 as "'Robin Hood' Inn".<ref>[https://www.thegenealogist.com 1901 census of Kent 1901, Piece 00719, Image 00060, #26, at The Genealogist] (subscription required).</ref> However, without the first-hand knowledge of the area which the census-taker no doubt had, a bit of detective work is required to establish the probable site.
-A modern (?) reference to a person resident in 1885 at '3, Mills Cottages, Essex R[oa]d, Halling, Rochester'<ref>[https://www.wrecksite.eu/peopleView.aspx?36976 Wreck Site: † Ernest John Hunt.]</ref> would naturally lead one to look for the pub and Mills Cottages on the present Essex Road, on the east side of the A228. However, in both census records the pub is listed in contexts which point to a location well to the west of the A228. The solution to this paradox seems to be that The Street, in Upper Halling, and Vicarage Road, its continuation to the east, were then also named Essex Road. Before Halling was bisected by the A228, the present Vicarage Road continued directly east to meet up with the south end of the present Essex Road, and so it would not be unnatural if they were considreed a single road at the time.
+The 1840 tithe schedule for Halling lists the easternmost of the plots on the north side of what is now The Street, in Upper Halling, as a 'Beer Shop[,] Shed and Garden', the land owned by Maximillian Dudley Digges Dalison, Esq., and occupied by a William Holding. In 1877, the owner was the same but the occupier an Edward Norman, while in 1884 it was owned by Hilton, Anderson & Company and occupied by Lingham and Davis. Its area was 1 rood and 15 perches ({{AcresRoodsPerchesToM2|0|1|15}} m<sup>2</sup>).<ref>[https://www.thegenealogist.com Tithe award for Halling, Piece 17, Sub-Piece 160, Images 011, 032 and 038, #132, at The Genealogist] (£).</ref> This must be the Robin Hood. The immediate vicinity, where several streets meet, would then have been known as Crabb's Corner.
-A closer look at the census records shows that the area was traversed from roughly south to north in 1881 but in the opposite direction in 1901. Among the stops on the route followed in 1881 which can be located on the early O.S. maps (listed below) are, in the south: the Black Boy public house (at 51.3485,0.4255) and Chapel Houses (at 51.3487,0.4258). and in the north, Warren House (at 51.3648,0.4433). Enroute the census-taker called at households at Jupp's, Lee's, Formby, and Mills Cottages, the two latter being both located at Crab's or Crabb's Corner.<ref>[https://www.thegenealogist.com 1881 census of Kent, Piece 00880, Image 00229 to 00232, at The Genealogist] (subscription required).</ref> Lee and Formby are names of major, and Jupp and Mills those of minor landowners in the area.
+An indication that the pub was still in existence ''c.'' 1960 was given by the seller from whom IRHB bought the black and white postcard shown in the image gallery below. The card itself includes no printed text of any kind, but it was sold as a postcard depicting the 'Robin Hood pub, Upper Halling, Rochester 1960'. The year in the postmark is hardly legible, but the stamp and the general look of the card would seem to support the dating.
+{{PlaceNamesItemAllusionsAndRecords}}
-<dl>
-  <dt>Jupp</dt>
-  <dd>In the 1840 tithe schedule, Edward Jupp is owner/occupier of a property described as 'Cottage Offices & Gardens' (at 51.3501,0.4458), on the west side of Kent Road (High Street).<ref>[https://www.thegenealogist.com Tithe award for Halling, Piece 17, Sub-Piece 160, Image 014, #57, at The Genealogist]</ref> In that of 1855, the owner/occupier is Richard Jupp and the property is described as 'Cottages Offices & Garden', with the 's' in 'Cottages' indistinctly written or perhaps scratched out.<ref>[https://www.thegenealogist.com Tithe award for Halling, Piece 17, Sub-Piece 160, Image 023, #57a, at The Genealogist.]</ref>
-</dd>
-  <dt>Lee</dt>
-  <dd>Among much else, cement factory owner William Lee in 1855 owned a cottage and garden (at or near 51.3417,0.4501) just north of the modern Peters Bridge Road, a 'Cottage[,] offices[,] yard & Garden' (at or near 51.3523,0.4431), and 'Cottages[,] Sheds & Gardens' in Upper Halling (at or 51.3502,0.4278).<ref>[https://www.thegenealogist.com Tithe award for Halling, Piece 17, Sub-Piece 160, Image 028, #25, #62, #110, at The Genealogist.]</ref>
-</dd>
-  <dt>Formby</dt>
-  <dd>In addition to much other land (and businesses owned by his company), the Reverend James Formby was the owner of a cottage and garden on the west side of Pilgrim's Road (at 31.3555,0.4301), ''c.'' 235 m NNE of Upper Halling.<ref>[https://www.thegenealogist.com/ Tithe award for Halling, Piece 17, Sub-Piece 160, Image 013, #94, at The Genealogist]</ref>
-</dd>
-  <dt>Mills</dt>
-  <dd>Harriet Mills (widow) was owner/occupier of a piece of pasture (at 51.3535,0.4438), the area between the present Kent and Essex roads.<ref>[https://www.thegenealogist.com/ Tithe award for Halling, Piece 17, Sub-Piece 160, Image 040, #140, at The Genealogist]</ref></dd>
-</dl>
-Going from roughly north to south in 1901, the census-taker's stops included the following:
-* Tenioth House (at 51.3678,0.4489)
-* Warren House (as above)
-* The Flint House (at 51.3553,0.4053)
-* Stony Field Cottage (probably Stonyfield House at 51.3586,0.4259 or smaller building near it)
-* Crabb's Corner
-* Turk's Hall Place (not indicated on early maps, but in Google Earth Street View it can be seen that the house at 51.352205, 0.428026, in Upper Halling, is named 'Turk's Hall Place').<ref>[https://www.thegenealogist.com 1901 census of Kent, Piece 00719, Image 00057 to 00063, at The Genealogist] (subscription required).</ref>
-If one plots these coordinates on, for instance, the georeferenced 25" O.S. map listed below, it becomes obvious that Mills Cottages and hence Crab[b]'s Corner and the Robin Hood were/are likely located at the cluster of houses ''c,'' 75 metres southeast of the farm or other buildings labelled 'Upper Halling Court' on the map. Though not labelled as such on the map, this is in fact the village of Upper Halling. Here the Pilgrim's Road and The Street (named Vicarage Road further east) intersect. A place where roads meet is a good place for business and so a likely location for a public house.
-It turns out that the house at 5 The Street looks rather like an old pub and even has a cast-iron gallows of the kind from which a pub or shop sign would have been suspended. Across the street are two rather large semi-detached houses that may well have been home to the baker's dozen of families which lived at Formby and Mills Cottages. The corner on which they stand is in all probability Crabb's Corner.
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 == Gazetteers ==
 * Not included in {{:Dobson, Richard Barrie 1976a}}, pp. 293-311.
 == Sources ==
 * [https://pubwiki.co.uk/KentPubs/Halling/RobinHood.shtml Pub Wiki: Robin Hood, 4 Mills Cottages Crabs Corner, Halling, Strood.]
 == Maps ==
-* 25" O.S. map ''Kent'' XVIII.16 (''c.'' 1869; surveyed 1861-62), No Copy in NLS
+* 25" O.S. map ''Kent'' XVIII.16 (''c.'' 1869; surveyed 1861-62), No copy in NLS
-* 25" O.S. map ''Kent'' XVIII.16 (''c.'' 1896; rev. ''c.'' 1895). No Copy in NLS
+* 25" O.S. map ''Kent'' XVIII.16 (''c.'' 1896; rev. ''c.'' 1895). No copy in NLS
 * [https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=51.35350&lon=0.42634&layers=168&b=5 25" O.S. map ''Kent'' XVIII.16 (1908; rev. 1907)] (georeferenced)
 * [https://maps.nls.uk/view/103677140#zoom=5&lat=5514&lon=12020&layers=BT 25" O.S. map ''Kent'' XVIII.16 (1908; rev. 1907)]
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 == Background ==
-* [https://www.thegenealogist.com 1881 census of Kent, Piece 00880, Image 00229 to 00232, at The Genealogist] (subscription required)
+* [https://www.thegenealogist.com 1851 census of Kent, Piece 01609b, Image 00451, #21, at The Genealogist] (£)
-* [https://www.thegenealogist.com/ Tithe award for Halling, Piece 17, Sub-Piece 160, Image 001 to 054, at The Genealogist]
+* [https://www.thegenealogist.com Tithe award for Halling, Piece 17, Sub-Piece 160, Image 001 to 054, at The Genealogist] (£)
 * [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halling,_Kent Wikipedia: Halling, Kent]
-* [https://www.wrecksite.eu/peopleView.aspx?36976 Wreck Site: † Ernest John Hunt.]
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