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{{#display_map:{{#var:Coords}}~{{#replace:{{PAGENAME}}|'|'}}|width=34%}}<div class="pnMapLegend">Hardres Street, formerly Frederick Street, where the Robin Hood was situated.</div> | {{#display_map:{{#var:Coords}}~{{#replace:{{PAGENAME}}|'|'}}|width=34%}}<div class="pnMapLegend">Hardres Street, formerly Frederick Street, where the Robin Hood was situated.</div> | ||
[[File:{{#var:Pnimage}}|thumb|right|500px|25 Hardres (formerly Frederick) Street | [[File:{{#var:Pnimage}}|thumb|right|500px|25 Hardres (formerly Frederick) Street / Google Earth Street View.]] | ||
<div class="no-img"><p id="byline">By Henrik Thiil Nielsen, 2020-11-05. Revised by {{#realname:{{REVISIONUSER}}}}, {{REVISIONYEAR}}-{{REVISIONMONTH}}-{{REVISIONDAY2}}.</p> | <div class="no-img"><p id="byline">By Henrik Thiil Nielsen, 2020-11-05. Revised by {{#realname:{{REVISIONUSER}}}}, {{REVISIONYEAR}}-{{REVISIONMONTH}}-{{REVISIONDAY2}}.</p> | ||
The Robin Hood on Hardres Street, then named Frederick Street, in Ramsgate is recorded only in the period 1858-61. | The Robin Hood on Hardres Street, then named Frederick Street, in Ramsgate is recorded only in the period 1858-61. | ||
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robin-hood-ramsgate-google-earth-street-view-2.jpg|Former corner shop – Robin Hood? – at intersection of Hardres and Brunwsick streets / Google Earth Street View. | robin-hood-ramsgate-google-earth-street-view-2.jpg|Former corner shop – Robin Hood? – at intersection of Hardres and Brunwsick streets / Google Earth Street View. | ||
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Revision as of 20:28, 5 November 2020
[[File:|thumb|right|500px|25 Hardres (formerly Frederick) Street / Google Earth Street View.]]
By Henrik Thiil Nielsen, 2020-11-05. Revised by Henrik Thiil Nielsen, 2020-11-05.
The Robin Hood on Hardres Street, then named Frederick Street, in Ramsgate is recorded only in the period 1858-61.
Pub Wiki lists the pub with a Thomas Haywood as publican, citing Melvilles Directory (1858) as source.[1] A website with historical information on Kent public houses[2] adds a single reference, a notice of 'Ramsgate Petty Sessions' in a regional newspaper, dated 23 Nov. 1861, according to which Thomas Hayward was fined for selling beer before noon on a Sunday (or at least outside opening hours).[3]
IRHB can add a little bit to this, though nothing that extends the known period of existence of the pub. The 1861 census of Ramsgate includes the pub as 'Robin Hood', citing it as number 105 of the schedule and with the address 25 Frederick Street. Often the census records give only a schedule number, which cannot with any certainty be interpreted as a street number, but here we get a bona fide street number, distinct from the number of schedule. The household consisted of Thomas Haywood (46, occupation listed as brewhouse labourer), his wife Jane (36), son Henry (13), mother-in-law Jane Heyburn (85), and niece Jane Heywood (15).[4] The pub does not appear to be incuded in other censuses, but we may add that comparing an 1849 map of Ramsgate with more recent ones shows that Frederidk Street is now named Hardres Street.[5]
The coordinate cited in the infobox and indicated on the interactive map is that of the present 25 Hardres Street. This is also shown in the photo included on this page. However, just as the name of the street has changed, its numbering and layout may also have undergone changes in the course of time, so it is of course not certain that 25 Frederick Street was located at this exact spot. In fact a former shop situated c. 10 metres to the northeast, on the corner of Hardres and Brunswick streets, looks rather more promising, but without furthrr record or map evidence the exact location cannot be established with any certainty. Template:PnItemQry
Gazetteers
- Not included in Dobson, R. B., ed.; Taylor, J., ed. Rymes of Robyn Hood: an Introduction to the English Outlaw (London, 1976), pp. 293-311.
MS sources
- 1861 Census of Kent, Piece 00536, Image 00334, #105, at The Genealogist (subscription required).
Printed and web sources
- Anonymous. 'Ramsgate Petty Sessions', The Kentish Chronicle and General Advertiser (23 Nov. 1861), p. 4
- Kent's Public House Archive Site: Robin Hood, Frederick Street, Ramsgate
- Pub Wiki: Robin Hood, Frederick Street, Ramsgate.
Maps
- 1849 map of Ramsgate, fifth tile from top.
- 25" O.S. map Kent XXXVIII.1 (c. 1872; surveyed 1871-72). No Copy in NLS
- 25" O.S. map Kent XXXVIII.1 (c. 1898; rev. 1896). No Copy in NLS
- 25" O.S. map Kent XXXVIII.1 (1907; rev. 1905) (georeferenced)
- 25" O.S. map Kent XXXVIII.1 (1907; rev. 1905)
- 25" O.S. map Kent XXXVIII.1 (1933; rev. 1931)
- 25" O.S. map Kent XXXVIII.1 (1946; rev. 1939)
- 6" O.S. map (1877; surveyed 1872–73)
- 6" O.S. map Kent XXXVIII.NW (1898; rev. 1896) (georeferenced)
- 6" O.S. map Kent XXXVIII.NW (1898; rev. 1896)
- 6" O.S. map Kent XXXVIII.NW (1908; rev. 1905)
- 6" O.S. map Kent XXXVIII.NW (c. 1933; rev. 1931)
- 6" O.S. map Kent XXXVIII.NW (c. 1946; rev. 1938)
- 6" O.S. map Kent XXXVIII.NW (1951; rev. 1947).
Notes
- ↑ 1861 Census of Kent, Piece 00536, Image 00334, #105, at The Genealogist (subscription required).
- ↑ Kent's Public House Archive Site: Robin Hood, Frederick Street, Ramsgate
- ↑ Anonymous. 'Ramsgate Petty Sessions', The Kentish Chronicle and General Advertiser (23 Nov. 1861), p. 4.
- ↑ 1861 Census of Kent, Piece 00536, Image 00334, #105, at The Genealogist (subscription required). The transcription at The Genealogist cites the mother-in-law's age as 15, which if not actually impossible would be very unusual. The correct reading is 85, which is also at least somewhat unusual in view of her daughter's being 36.
- ↑ 1849 map of Ramsgate, see fifth tile from top.
25 Hardres (formerly Frederick) Street / Google Earth Street View.
Former corner shop – Robin Hood? – at intersection of Hardres and Brunwsick streets / Google Earth Street View.
