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{{#display_map:{{#var:Coords}}~{{#replace:{{PAGENAME}}|&#39;|'}}|width=34%|service=leaflet|enablefullscreen=yes}}<div class="pnMapLegend">The site of the Robin Hood, Helsby.</div>
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[[File:{{#var:Pnimage}}|thumb|right|500px|The Robin Hood, boarded up and ready for sale (and demolition) / Google Earth Street View, Aug. 2009.]]
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The Robin Hood in Helsby was located on the corner of Chester Road and [[Lower Robin Hood Lane (Helsby)|Lower Robin Hood Lane]]. In existence by 1844 it was closed by 4 May 2009.<ref>[https://www.flickr.com/photos/garstonian/3501778930/in/album-72157616699601259/ Flickr: Garstonian: The Robin Hood, Helsby].</ref> Its name inspired those of several fields and streets in the immediate vicinity.
The Robin Hood in Helsby was located on the corner of Chester Road and [[Lower Robin Hood Lane (Helsby)|Lower Robin Hood Lane]]. In existence by 1844 it was closed by 4 May 2009.<ref>[https://www.flickr.com/photos/garstonian/3501778930/in/album-72157616699601259/ Flickr: Garstonian: The Robin Hood, Helsby].</ref> Its name inspired those of several fields and streets in the immediate vicinity.


The earliest record of the pub known to IRHB is the 1844 Helsby tithe award, which lists the plot of land as "Public House & Gardens".<ref>1844 Tithe award for Helsby, online at the [https://www.thegenealogist.co.uk/ Genealogist.co.uk], piece 05, sub-piece 199, image 017, item 137 (subscription required).</ref> The owner was then a Henry Lowe, the occupier an Elizabeth Bromley, the area was listed as 1 rood and 6 perches ({{AcreRoodPerchToM2|0|1|6}} m<sup>2</sup>). Although the name of the pub is thus not listed, there can be no doubt that it was already then trading as the Robin Hood. Surrounding fields were named [[Higher Robin Hood Field (Helsby)|Higher Robin Hood Field]], [[Lower Robin Hood Field (Helsby)|Lower Robin Hood Field]] and [[Robin Hood Field (Helsby)|Robin Hood Field]] ''tout court'', while yet another was described as "Field below Robin Hood".<ref>For the latter see 1844 tithe award for Helsby, online at the [https://www.thegenealogist.co.uk/ Genealogist.co.uk], piece 05, sub-piece 199, image 016, item 146 (subscription required).</ref> These names must have been inspired by that of the pub. It is obviously not credible that the fields should already have been named after Robin Hood and someone should then have decided to open a Robin Hood pub near the centre of their combined area.{{PnItemQry}}
The earliest record of the pub known to IRHB is the 1844 Helsby tithe award, which lists the plot of land as "Public House & Gardens".<ref>1844 Tithe award for Helsby, online at the [https://www.thegenealogist.com Genealogist], Piece 05, sub-piece 199, Image 017, item 137 (£).</ref> The owner was then a Henry Lowe, the occupier an Elizabeth Bromley, the area was listed as 1 rood and 6 perches ({{AcresRoodsPerchesToM2|0|1|6}} m<sup>2</sup>). Although the name of the pub is not cited in the tithe award, there can be no doubt that it was already then trading as the Robin Hood by 1844. Surrounding fields listed in the tithe award were named [[Higher Robin Hood Field (Helsby)|Higher Robin Hood Field]], [[Lower Robin Hood Field (Helsby)|Lower Robin Hood Field]] and [[Robin Hood Field (Helsby)|Robin Hood Field]] ''tout court'', while yet another was described as the "Field below Robin Hood".<ref>For the latter see 1844 tithe award for Helsby, online at the [https://www.thegenealogist.com Genealogist], Piece 05, sub-piece 199, Image 016, item 146 (£).</ref> These names must have been inspired by that of the pub. It is obviously not credible that the fields should already have been named after Robin Hood and someone should then have decided to open a Robin Hood pub near the centre of their combined area.
 
In 1861 the publican was a Joseph Knight Potts; his wife was named Elizabeth.<ref>1861 Census, Cheshire, online at the [https://www.thegenealogist.com Genealogist], Piece 02599, Image 00187, Item 26 (£).</ref> In 1881 Elizabeth Potts is listed as "Inn Keeper".<ref>1881 Census, Cheshire, online at the [https://www.thegenealogist.com Genealogist], Piece 03519, Image 00017, Item 34 (£).</ref> In 1901 Joseph Potts was "Hotel Proprietor".<ref>1901 Census, Cheshire, online at the [https://www.thegenealogist.com Genealogist], Piece 03337, Image 00214, Item 29 (£).</ref>
 
A row of semi-detached houses was under construction at the site of the pub in 2018 (see image in gallery below).{{PlaceNamesItemAllusionsAndRecords}}
== Gazetteers ==
== Gazetteers ==
* Not included in {{:Dobson, Richard Barrie 1976a}}, pp. 293-311
* Not included in {{:Dobson, Richard Barrie 1976a}}, pp. 293-311
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== Maps ==
== Maps ==
* 25" O.S. map ''Cheshire'' XXXII.6 (''c.'' 1874; surveyed ''c.'' 1872). No Copy in NLS
* 25" O.S. map ''Cheshire'' XXXII.6 (''c.'' 1874; surveyed ''c.'' 1872). No copy in NLS
* [https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=53.2710&lon=-2.7715&layers=168&b=5 25" O.S. map ''Cheshire'' XXXII.6 (1898; rev. 1897)] (georeferenced)
* [https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=53.2710&lon=-2.7715&layers=168&b=5 25" O.S. map ''Cheshire'' XXXII.6 (1898; rev. 1897)] (georeferenced)
* [https://maps.nls.uk/view/114583042#zoom=4&lat=8622&lon=12235&layers=BT 25" O.S. map ''Cheshire'' XXXII.6 (1898; rev. 1897)]
* [https://maps.nls.uk/view/114583042#zoom=4&lat=8622&lon=12235&layers=BT 25" O.S. map ''Cheshire'' XXXII.6 (1898; rev. 1897)]
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== MS sources ==
== MS sources ==
* 1844 Tithe award for Helsby, online at the [https://www.thegenealogist.co.uk/ Genealogist.co.uk], piece 05, sub-piece 199, image 017, item 137 (subscription required)
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* Accompanying map, online at the [https://www.thegenealogist.co.uk/ Genealogist.co.uk], piece 05, sub-piece 199, sub-image 001, item 137 (subscription required).
* 1844 Tithe award for Helsby, online at the [https://www.thegenealogist.com Genealogist], Piece 05, sub-piece 199, Image 017, item 137
* Accompanying map, online at the [https://www.thegenealogist.com Genealogist], Piece 05, sub-piece 199, Sub-Image 001, item 137
* 1861 Census, Cheshire, online at the [https://www.thegenealogist.com Genealogist], Piece 02599, Image 00187, Item 26
* 1881 Census, Cheshire, online at the [https://www.thegenealogist.com Genealogist], Piece 03519, Image 00017, Item 34
* 1901 Census, Cheshire, online at the [https://www.thegenealogist.com Genealogist], Piece 03337, Image 00214, Item 29.


== Printed sources ==
== Printed and web sources ==
* [https://www.flickr.com/photos/garstonian/3501778930/in/album-72157616699601259/ Flickr: Garstonian: The Robin Hood, Helsby.]
* [https://www.flickr.com/photos/garstonian/3501778930/in/album-72157616699601259/ Flickr: Garstonian: The Robin Hood, Helsby.]
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== Notes ==
== Notes ==
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File:rh-helsby-google-maps.jpg|The Robin Hood, boarded up and ready for sale (and demolition) / Google Earth Street View, Aug. 2009.
File:rh-helsby-google-maps.jpg|The Robin Hood, boarded up and ready for sale (and demolition) / Google Earth Street View, Aug. 2009.
File:geograph-2161017-by-Eirian-Evans.jpg|Robin Hood, Helsby: Another closed and dejected pub on Chester Road (A56) in Helsby / [https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2161017 Eirian Evans, 7 Aug. 2010, Creative Commons, via Geograph.]
File:geograph-2161017-by-Eirian-Evans.jpg|Robin Hood, Helsby: Another closed and dejected pub on Chester Road (A56) in Helsby / [https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2161017 Eirian Evans, 7 Aug. 2010, Creative  
File:robin-hood-helsby-google-earth-street-view.jpg|These have replaced the Robin Hood / Google Earth Street View, 2018.
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Latest revision as of 19:14, 22 April 2022

Locality
Coordinate 53.2709, -2.77
Adm. div. Cheshire
Vicinity In Helsby
Type Public house
Interest Robin Hood name
Status Defunct
First Record 1844
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The site of the Robin Hood, Helsby.
The Robin Hood, boarded up and ready for sale (and demolition) / Google Earth Street View, Aug. 2009.

By Henrik Thiil Nielsen, 2017-01-21. Revised by Henrik Thiil Nielsen, 2022-04-22.

The Robin Hood in Helsby was located on the corner of Chester Road and Lower Robin Hood Lane. In existence by 1844 it was closed by 4 May 2009.[1] Its name inspired those of several fields and streets in the immediate vicinity.

The earliest record of the pub known to IRHB is the 1844 Helsby tithe award, which lists the plot of land as "Public House & Gardens".[2] The owner was then a Henry Lowe, the occupier an Elizabeth Bromley, the area was listed as 1 rood and 6 perches (1163.47 m2). Although the name of the pub is not cited in the tithe award, there can be no doubt that it was already then trading as the Robin Hood by 1844. Surrounding fields listed in the tithe award were named Higher Robin Hood Field, Lower Robin Hood Field and Robin Hood Field tout court, while yet another was described as the "Field below Robin Hood".[3] These names must have been inspired by that of the pub. It is obviously not credible that the fields should already have been named after Robin Hood and someone should then have decided to open a Robin Hood pub near the centre of their combined area.

In 1861 the publican was a Joseph Knight Potts; his wife was named Elizabeth.[4] In 1881 Elizabeth Potts is listed as "Inn Keeper".[5] In 1901 Joseph Potts was "Hotel Proprietor".[6]

A row of semi-detached houses was under construction at the site of the pub in 2018 (see image in gallery below).

Gazetteers

Maps

MS sources

Subscription required for all.

  • 1844 Tithe award for Helsby, online at the Genealogist, Piece 05, sub-piece 199, Image 017, item 137
  • Accompanying map, online at the Genealogist, Piece 05, sub-piece 199, Sub-Image 001, item 137
  • 1861 Census, Cheshire, online at the Genealogist, Piece 02599, Image 00187, Item 26
  • 1881 Census, Cheshire, online at the Genealogist, Piece 03519, Image 00017, Item 34
  • 1901 Census, Cheshire, online at the Genealogist, Piece 03337, Image 00214, Item 29.

Printed and web sources

Also see


Notes

  1. Flickr: Garstonian: The Robin Hood, Helsby.
  2. 1844 Tithe award for Helsby, online at the Genealogist, Piece 05, sub-piece 199, Image 017, item 137 (£).
  3. For the latter see 1844 tithe award for Helsby, online at the Genealogist, Piece 05, sub-piece 199, Image 016, item 146 (£).
  4. 1861 Census, Cheshire, online at the Genealogist, Piece 02599, Image 00187, Item 26 (£).
  5. 1881 Census, Cheshire, online at the Genealogist, Piece 03519, Image 00017, Item 34 (£).
  6. 1901 Census, Cheshire, online at the Genealogist, Piece 03337, Image 00214, Item 29 (£).