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[[File:{{#var:Image}}|thumb|right|500px|The well was situated near Knutsford Gym (to the right) and the Medi & Beauty and Dental Academy (to the left) / Google Earth Street View.]]
[[File:{{#var:Image}}|thumb|right|500px|The well was situated near Knutsford Gym (to the right) and the Medi & Beauty and Dental Academy (to the left) / Google Earth Street View.]]
<div class="no-img"><p id="byline">By Henrik Thiil Nielsen, 2017-01-19. Revised by {{#realname:{{REVISIONUSER}}}}, {{REVISIONYEAR}}-{{REVISIONMONTH}}-{{REVISIONDAY2}}. Includes information kindly provided by an anonymous contributor.</p>
<div class="no-img"><p id="byline">By Henrik Thiil Nielsen, 2017-01-19. Revised by {{#realname:{{REVISIONUSER}}}}, {{REVISIONYEAR}}-{{REVISIONMONTH}}-{{REVISIONDAY2}}. Includes information kindly provided by an anonymous contributor.</p>
Robin Hood's Well in Nether Knutsford, one of the four wards of Knutsford, Cheshire, is listed on 6" O.S. maps of the area dated 1882 and 1899 (see Maps section below). Very close to this locality was a [[Robin Hood's Cottage (Knutsford)|Robin Hood's Cottage.]] I have not been able to establish the exact location of either from the maps, but this would have been somewhere near the NE end of Malt Street, perhaps in the area known as the Moor.<ref>{{:Dodgson, John McNeal 1970a}}, vol. V, pt. 1:ii, p. 419, may refer to this locality but cites no source, date or location.</ref> Robin Hood's Well may have been a spring or a well with some kind of cover or well-house, but again this cannot be determined from the maps. The place-name is most likely defunct, as is probably that of the Cottage, for I found no mention of either on the world wide web on 19 January 2017.
A no longer existing Robin Hood's Well in Knutsford is first mentioned in 1847 and figures on maps published in 1882 and 1899. It was probably named after Robin Hood, a race horse belonging to a Matthew Miller.
 
Henry Green in his ''Knutsford'' (see 1859 allusion below), tells us that over the well, presumably as an inscription or on a signboard, was the motto 'If Robin Hood be not at home | Stop and take a drink with little John'. Just beside the well was an enclosed mound and a stone on which the words 'Alas! poor Bob!' were engraved. On making enquiries, Green learned that the Robin Hood in question was a race horse which lay buried under the mound and that 'little John's drink' was strong ale rather than pure water. Perhaps unknown to Green, the motto over the well was a variant of a piece of verse that was inscribed near the entrances to some 19th century public houses named after Robin Hood and/or Little John.<ref>See the page [[Come and drink with Robin Hood]].</ref> He does not mention the [[Robin Hood's Cottage (Knutsford)|Robin Hood's Cottage]] that was situated very close to the well and mound, but this seems an odd name for a 19th century Robin Hood pub, and it is in any case not easy to see why the motto of a nearby pub should be found over the well, so while there is no reason to think that the Cottage was a pub, perhaps the strong ale was contained in a bottle deposited by the well or mound as a last gift to a dearly beloved horse who had perhaps been known to enjoy a pint or two after a succesful day at the races? Homo sapiens is not the only life form that can develop a taste for alcohol.
 
In a recent pamphlet on the history and topography of the Moor, a park in Knutsford, Joan Leach and others list Robin Hood's Well in Malt Street as being in existence by 1847.<ref>{{:Leach, Joan 2009a}}, p. 8.</ref> They cite no source, but on finding that the tithe award for Nether Knutsford &ndash; that of the four wards of Knutsford in which the well was situated &ndash; dates from the same year, we expected to find the well included in it. However, no mention of the well is found there,<ref>1847 tithe award for the Township of Nether Knutsford in the Parish of Nether Knutsford, Piece 5, sub-piece 227, at [https://www.thegenealogist.com The Genealogist] (subscription required); accompanying map: Piece 5, sub-piece 227, sub-image 001, at [https://www.thegenealogist.com The Genealogist] (subscription required).</ref> and not surprisingly, one also looks in vain for it in the tithe award for Over Knutsford.<ref>1847 tithe award for the Township of Over Knutsford in the Parish of Nether Knutsford, Piece 5, sub-piece 227, at [https://www.thegenealogist.com The Genealogist] (subscription required); accompanying map: Piece 5, sub-piece 228, sub-image 001, at [https://www.thegenealogist.com The Genealogist] (subscription required).</ref>
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== Gazetteers ==
== Gazetteers ==
* Not included in {{:Dobson, Richard Barrie 1976a}}, pp. 293-311.
* Not included in {{:Dobson, Richard Barrie 1976a}}, pp. 293-311.
== Sources ==
== Sources ==
* {{:Dodgson, John McNeal 1970a}}, vol. II, p. 75; vol. V, pt. 1:ii, p. 419, may refer to this locality, but he cites no source, date or location.
* {{:Dodgson, John McNeal 1970a}}, vol. II, p. 75; vol. V, pt. 1:ii, p. 419, may refer to this locality, but he cites no source, date or location.
== Maps ==
== Maps ==
* 25" O.S. map ''Cheshire'' XXVII.9 (''c.'' 1877; surveyed ''c.'' 1874). No Copy in NLS
* 25" O.S. map ''Cheshire'' XXVII.9 (''c.'' 1877; surveyed ''c.'' 1874). No Copy in NLS
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* [http://maps.nls.uk/view/102191314#zoom=6&lat=4087&lon=3800&layers=BT 6" O.S. map ''Cheshire'' XXVII (''c.'' 1936; rev. 1908)]
* [http://maps.nls.uk/view/102191314#zoom=6&lat=4087&lon=3800&layers=BT 6" O.S. map ''Cheshire'' XXVII (''c.'' 1936; rev. 1908)]
* [http://maps.nls.uk/view/101598568#zoom=6&lat=4011&lon=3721&layers=BT 6" O.S. map ''Cheshire'' XXVII (''c.'' 1947; rev. 1938).]
* [http://maps.nls.uk/view/101598568#zoom=6&lat=4011&lon=3721&layers=BT 6" O.S. map ''Cheshire'' XXVII (''c.'' 1947; rev. 1938).]
== MS sources ==
* 1847 tithe award for the Township of Nether Knutsford in the Parish of Nether Knutsford, Piece 5, sub-piece 227, at [https://www.thegenealogist.com The Genealogist]
* accompanying map, Piece 5, sub-piece 227, sub-image 001, at [https://www.thegenealogist.com The Genealogist]
* 1847 tithe award for the Township of Over Knutsford in the Parish of Nether Knutsford, Piece 5, sub-piece 228, at [https://www.thegenealogist.com The Genealogist]
* accompanying map, Piece 5, sub-piece 228, sub-image 001, at [https://www.thegenealogist.com The Genealogist.]


== Printed digital sources ==
== Printed digital sources ==

Revision as of 09:51, 17 January 2021

Locality
Coordinate 53.3048, -2.3722
Adm. div. Cheshire
Vicinity In Knutsford, Nether Knutsford Ward, near the NE end of Malt Street
Type Natural feature
Interest Robin Hood name
Status Defunct
First Record 1847
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The site of Robin Hood's Well.
The well was situated near Knutsford Gym (to the right) and the Medi & Beauty and Dental Academy (to the left) / Google Earth Street View.

By Henrik Thiil Nielsen, 2017-01-19. Revised by Henrik Thiil Nielsen, 2021-01-17. Includes information kindly provided by an anonymous contributor.

A no longer existing Robin Hood's Well in Knutsford is first mentioned in 1847 and figures on maps published in 1882 and 1899. It was probably named after Robin Hood, a race horse belonging to a Matthew Miller.

Henry Green in his Knutsford (see 1859 allusion below), tells us that over the well, presumably as an inscription or on a signboard, was the motto 'If Robin Hood be not at home | Stop and take a drink with little John'. Just beside the well was an enclosed mound and a stone on which the words 'Alas! poor Bob!' were engraved. On making enquiries, Green learned that the Robin Hood in question was a race horse which lay buried under the mound and that 'little John's drink' was strong ale rather than pure water. Perhaps unknown to Green, the motto over the well was a variant of a piece of verse that was inscribed near the entrances to some 19th century public houses named after Robin Hood and/or Little John.[1] He does not mention the Robin Hood's Cottage that was situated very close to the well and mound, but this seems an odd name for a 19th century Robin Hood pub, and it is in any case not easy to see why the motto of a nearby pub should be found over the well, so while there is no reason to think that the Cottage was a pub, perhaps the strong ale was contained in a bottle deposited by the well or mound as a last gift to a dearly beloved horse who had perhaps been known to enjoy a pint or two after a succesful day at the races? Homo sapiens is not the only life form that can develop a taste for alcohol.

In a recent pamphlet on the history and topography of the Moor, a park in Knutsford, Joan Leach and others list Robin Hood's Well in Malt Street as being in existence by 1847.[2] They cite no source, but on finding that the tithe award for Nether Knutsford – that of the four wards of Knutsford in which the well was situated – dates from the same year, we expected to find the well included in it. However, no mention of the well is found there,[3] and not surprisingly, one also looks in vain for it in the tithe award for Over Knutsford.[4]

Allusions

1859 - Green, Henry - Knutsford

 The name Robin Hood's Well, a locality near the Moor, suggests that the great outlaw and freebooter of Sherwood Forest had wandered to our town; we read the motto over the well,

"If Robin Hood be not at home,
Stop and take a drink with little John;"

[p. 131:] and we imagine his favourite attendant must have been concealed close at hand. But, alas! for our antiquarian excitement; just by is a neatly enclosed mound, and a stone engraved with the words, "Alas! poor Bob!" We enquire what it all means, and learn, almost to our vexation, that Robin Hood was the name of a race-horse buried under the mound, and that little John's drink was not the pure element—"that best of liquors," but like Friar Tuck's,—a flagon of strong ale.[5]

Gazetteers

Sources

Maps

MS sources

  • 1847 tithe award for the Township of Nether Knutsford in the Parish of Nether Knutsford, Piece 5, sub-piece 227, at The Genealogist
  • accompanying map, Piece 5, sub-piece 227, sub-image 001, at The Genealogist
  • 1847 tithe award for the Township of Over Knutsford in the Parish of Nether Knutsford, Piece 5, sub-piece 228, at The Genealogist
  • accompanying map, Piece 5, sub-piece 228, sub-image 001, at The Genealogist.

Printed digital sources

Gazetteers

Background

Also see


Notes

  1. See the page Come and drink with Robin Hood.
  2. Leach, Joan; Friends of the Moor. A History of the Moor, Knutsford ([s.l.]: [s.n.], [c. 2009]), p. 8.
  3. 1847 tithe award for the Township of Nether Knutsford in the Parish of Nether Knutsford, Piece 5, sub-piece 227, at The Genealogist (subscription required); accompanying map: Piece 5, sub-piece 227, sub-image 001, at The Genealogist (subscription required).
  4. 1847 tithe award for the Township of Over Knutsford in the Parish of Nether Knutsford, Piece 5, sub-piece 227, at The Genealogist (subscription required); accompanying map: Piece 5, sub-piece 228, sub-image 001, at The Genealogist (subscription required).
  5. Green, Henry. Knutsford, its Traditions and History: with Reminiscences, Anecdotes, and Notices of the Neighbourhood (London; Macclesfield; Knutsford, 1859), pp. 130-31.