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The Robin Hood Inn in Mottram Moor – between Mottram in Longdendale and Hollingworth – was situated ''c.'' 40 metres east of Carrhouse Lane, on the south side of the A57. It was in existence by 1798.
The Robin Hood Inn in Mottram Moor – between Mottram in Longdendale and Hollingworth – was situated ''c.'' 40 metres east of Carrhouse Lane, on the south side of the A57. It was in existence by 1798.


The freemason 'Lodge of Loyalty' held its meetings there from its founding in 1798 but had moved to another public house by 1816.<ref>[https://www.dhi.ac.uk/lane/record.php?ID=1545 Museum of Freemasonry: Lane's Masonic Records: Lodge of Loyalty (320).]</ref> It has been suggested that the pub was built ''c.'' 1770.<ref name="bygoneBoozers">[http://bygoneboozers.blogspot.com/2012/10/robin-hood-inn-mottram-hyde.html Bygone Boozers of Greater Manchester: Robin Hood Inn (Mottram, Hyde).]</ref> A John Beard is listed as publican in 1860.<ref>[http://www.gjh.me.uk/glossop/dir1860.html White's History, Gazetteer & Directory of Cheshire, 1860: Entries for the Longdendale, Disley and Marple areas.]</ref> The Robin Hood appears in records at least as late as 1936. It was a Wilsons Brewery pub.<ref>[http://breweryhistory.com/wiki/index.php?title=List_of_Wilsons_Brewery_Ltd_pubs Brewery History: List of Wilsons Brewery Ltd pubs, #69.]</ref> When the level of the A57 was raised, the building became isolated. It was converted into a private residence but was severly damaged by fire in the 1960.<ref name="bygoneBoozers"/> It was subsequently demolished, probably in 1977, though according to others this was in the 1960s.<ref>1977 according to [https://www.facebook.com/groups/574087385958984/permalink/4092259617475059 Pubs Of The Past Glossop & Hadfield R.I.P;] 1960s according to [http://bygoneboozers.blogspot.com/2012/10/robin-hood-inn-mottram-hyde.html Bygone Boozers of Greater Manchester: Robin Hood Inn (Mottram, Hyde).]</ref>
The freemason 'Lodge of Loyalty' held its meetings there from its founding in 1798 but had moved to another public house by 1816.<ref>[https://www.dhi.ac.uk/lane/record.php?ID=1545 Museum of Freemasonry: Lane's Masonic Records: Lodge of Loyalty (320).]</ref> It has been suggested that the pub was built ''c.'' 1770.<ref name="bygoneBoozers">[http://bygoneboozers.blogspot.com/2012/10/robin-hood-inn-mottram-hyde.html Bygone Boozers of Greater Manchester: Robin Hood Inn (Mottram, Hyde).]</ref>  
 
The 1845 tithe award for Mottram in Longendale lists the 'Robin Hood Public House' with John Tollemache, Esq., as landowner, John Beard as occupier, a land area of 39 roods ({{AcresRoodsPerchesToM2|0|0|39}} m<sup>2</sup>), and nothing entered under 'State of Cultivation'.<ref>Tithe award for the township of Mottram in Longdendale, online at the [https://www.thegenealogist.com TheGenealogist], Piece 05, Sub-Piece 277, Image 017, #238 (£); accompanying map, online at the [https://www.thegenealogist.com TheGenealogist], Piece 05, Sub-Piece 277, Sub-Image 001 (£).</ref> John Beard was still publican in 1860.<ref>[http://www.gjh.me.uk/glossop/dir1860.html White's History, Gazetteer & Directory of Cheshire, 1860: Entries for the Longdendale, Disley and Marple areas.]</ref> The Robin Hood was a Wilsons Brewery pub.<ref>[http://breweryhistory.com/wiki/index.php?title=List_of_Wilsons_Brewery_Ltd_pubs Brewery History: List of Wilsons Brewery Ltd pubs, #69.]</ref> When the level of the A57 was raised, the building became isolated. It was subsequently converted into a private residence but was severly damaged by fire in the 1960.<ref name="bygoneBoozers"/> It was subsequently demolished, probably in 1977, though according to others this was in the 1960s.<ref>1977 according to [https://www.facebook.com/groups/574087385958984/permalink/4092259617475059 Pubs Of The Past Glossop & Hadfield R.I.P;] 1960s according to [http://bygoneboozers.blogspot.com/2012/10/robin-hood-inn-mottram-hyde.html Bygone Boozers of Greater Manchester: Robin Hood Inn (Mottram, Hyde).]</ref>
 
According to local tradition recorded in the 1990s, the name of this public house was inspired by the discovery, near a well in the immediate vicinity, of a [[Robin Hood figure (Mottram Moor)|figure depicting an archer]], which was locally interpreted as being Robin Hood. For this to be the case, the sculpture would have to have been discovered about 200 years before this traditional explanation of the name of the public house was recorded. While this is not impossible, it is also not something that should be accepted without evidence.
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== Gazetteers ==
== Gazetteers ==
* Not included in {{:Dobson, Richard Barrie 1976a}}, pp. 293-311.
* Not included in {{:Dobson, Richard Barrie 1976a}}, pp. 293-311.
== Sources ==
== MS sources ==
* Tithe award for the township of Mottram in Longdendale, online at the [https://www.thegenealogist.com TheGenealogist], Piece 05, Sub-Piece 277, Image 017, #238 (£)
* Accompanying map, online at the [https://www.thegenealogist.com TheGenealogist], Piece 05, Sub-Piece 277, Sub-Image 001 (£).
 
== Printed and web sources ==
* [http://breweryhistory.com/wiki/index.php?title=List_of_Wilsons_Brewery_Ltd_pubs Brewery History: List of Wilsons Brewery Ltd pubs, #69.]
* [http://breweryhistory.com/wiki/index.php?title=List_of_Wilsons_Brewery_Ltd_pubs Brewery History: List of Wilsons Brewery Ltd pubs, #69.]
* [http://bygoneboozers.blogspot.com/2012/10/robin-hood-inn-mottram-hyde.html Bygone Boozers of Greater Manchester: Robin Hood Inn (Mottram, Hyde)]
* [http://bygoneboozers.blogspot.com/2012/10/robin-hood-inn-mottram-hyde.html Bygone Boozers of Greater Manchester: Robin Hood Inn (Mottram, Hyde)]
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* [http://www.gjh.me.uk/glossop/dir1860.html White's History, Gazetteer & Directory of Cheshire, 1860: Entries for the Longdendale, Disley and Marple areas.]
* [http://www.gjh.me.uk/glossop/dir1860.html White's History, Gazetteer & Directory of Cheshire, 1860: Entries for the Longdendale, Disley and Marple areas.]
== Maps ==
== Maps ==
Some of the maps listed below have 'P.H.' at the site of the pub.
* [https://maps.nls.uk/view/114581287#zoom=5&lat=9951&lon=15279&layers=BT 25" O.S. map ''Cheshire'' XI.3 (1886; surveyed 1872)]
* [https://maps.nls.uk/view/114581287#zoom=5&lat=9951&lon=15279&layers=BT 25" O.S. map ''Cheshire'' XI.3 (1886; surveyed 1872)]
* [https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=53.46019&lon=-2.00063&layers=168&b=5 25" O.S. map ''Cheshire'' XI.3 (1898; rev. 1896)] (georeferenced)
* [https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=53.46019&lon=-2.00063&layers=168&b=5 25" O.S. map ''Cheshire'' XI.3 (1898; rev. 1896)] (georeferenced)
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Latest revision as of 14:46, 26 June 2021

Locality
Coordinate 53.459969, -2.000055
Adm. div. Cheshire
Vicinity c. 40 m east of Carrhouse Lane, on S side of A57 in Mottram Moor, near Mottram in Longdendale
Type Public house
Interest Robin Hood name
Status Defunct
First Record 1798
A.k.a. Robin Hood Inn
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The site of the Robin Hood.
The Robin Hood was located here / Google Earth Street View (click or tap to enlarge).

By Henrik Thiil Nielsen, 2021-06-18. Revised by Henrik Thiil Nielsen, 2021-06-26.

The Robin Hood Inn in Mottram Moor – between Mottram in Longdendale and Hollingworth – was situated c. 40 metres east of Carrhouse Lane, on the south side of the A57. It was in existence by 1798.

The freemason 'Lodge of Loyalty' held its meetings there from its founding in 1798 but had moved to another public house by 1816.[1] It has been suggested that the pub was built c. 1770.[2]

The 1845 tithe award for Mottram in Longendale lists the 'Robin Hood Public House' with John Tollemache, Esq., as landowner, John Beard as occupier, a land area of 39 roods (986.42 m2), and nothing entered under 'State of Cultivation'.[3] John Beard was still publican in 1860.[4] The Robin Hood was a Wilsons Brewery pub.[5] When the level of the A57 was raised, the building became isolated. It was subsequently converted into a private residence but was severly damaged by fire in the 1960.[2] It was subsequently demolished, probably in 1977, though according to others this was in the 1960s.[6]

According to local tradition recorded in the 1990s, the name of this public house was inspired by the discovery, near a well in the immediate vicinity, of a figure depicting an archer, which was locally interpreted as being Robin Hood. For this to be the case, the sculpture would have to have been discovered about 200 years before this traditional explanation of the name of the public house was recorded. While this is not impossible, it is also not something that should be accepted without evidence.

Gazetteers

MS sources

  • Tithe award for the township of Mottram in Longdendale, online at the TheGenealogist, Piece 05, Sub-Piece 277, Image 017, #238 (£)
  • Accompanying map, online at the TheGenealogist, Piece 05, Sub-Piece 277, Sub-Image 001 (£).

Printed and web sources

Maps

Some of the maps listed below have 'P.H.' at the site of the pub.

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Notes


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